Traditional plant medicines and modern psychedelic therapy meet at a powerful intersection. In this groundbreaking episode, Dr. Sandra Dreisbach shares her unique perspective as both a PhD in ethical decision-making and a leader in psychedelic practice.
Drawing from her extensive background in moral psychology and role as leader of EPIC (Ethical Psychedelic International Community), Sandra explains why psychedelic medicine is about more than just substances - it's about connection, tradition, and ethical practice.
Key highlights from this episode:
• The true meaning of "source" in psychedelic practice
• How ancient wisdom meets modern therapeutic approaches
• Building bridges between Global North and South perspectives
• Practical steps for ethical psychedelic exploration
• The importance of community in healing work
Sandra emphasizes that whether you're a practitioner, therapist, or someone curious about psychedelic medicine, this space welcomes you with open arms.
This isn't just another podcast - it's a commitment to creating informed, ethical, and supported access to psychedelic healing.
Want to be part of this growing community?
00:00:00:00 - 00:00:32:17
Dr. Sandra Dreisbach
Welcome to Psychedelic Source, where wisdom meets practice in the evolving landscape of psychedelic medicine. I'm your host, Doctor Sandra Dreisbach, and I'm here to help you navigate the complex intersection of ethics, business, and personal growth in a psychedelic space. Whether you're a practitioner, therapist, entrepreneur, or simply curious about this transformative field, you've found your source for authentic dialog, practical resources, and community connection.
00:00:32:18 - 00:00:53:01
Dr. Sandra Dreisbach
In each episode, we'll dive deep into the stories, strategies, and ethical considerations that matter most to our growing ecosystem. Let's tap in to our inner source of wisdom and explore what it means to build a sustainable and ethical psychedelic future together.
00:00:53:03 - 00:01:10:17
VO
The information shared on this podcast, our website and other platforms may be triggering for some viewers and readers, and it's for informational, educational and entertainment purposes only. It is not a substitute for professional, medical, legal or therapeutic advice. While we explore topics related to altered states of consciousness, we do not endorse or encourage illegal activities or substance use.
00:01:10:19 - 00:01:24:21
VO
Always research or local laws and consult qualified professionals for guidance. The content provided is as is, and we are not liable for any actions taken based on the information shared, state supported and informed. Act responsibly and enjoy the podcast.
00:01:24:21 - 00:01:52:20
Dr. Sandra Dreisbach
welcome to Psychedelic Source podcast. I'm your host, Doctor Sandra Dreisbach. I have an Ma, PhD in ethical decision making and moral psychology, but my specialty is in psychedelic ethics and practice. And this podcast came about through multiple conversations with not only myself, but friends and relationship, where we were already having a lot of conversations about psychedelic practice.
00:01:53:01 - 00:02:36:14
Dr. Sandra Dreisbach
What it means to have good practice. I'm also a leader of epic, ethical, psychedelic international community, and we've been having regular community conversations and through these engaged conversations, as well as what I would call my own accountability practice. I came to realize and came to realize in relationship and in community that I wasn't doing personally enough to reach out publicly, and also that, we needed to educate more people in the community about psychedelic practice in a larger sense of the word, not just in, you know, sort of that global North western idea of psychedelic.
00:02:36:14 - 00:03:21:01
Dr. Sandra Dreisbach
Right? The what some people call traditional psychedelics, like LSD or, MDMA, ecstasy or mushrooms, psychedelic mushrooms, depending upon where you are from and what your traditions are, you have different relationships with these psychedelics and may consider them or some of them more plant medicines. All of them have all these psychedelics have a source. This is not about sourcing people for psychedelics, but it's a nod to what are the origins of these psychedelics, of these plant medicines, and also what helps you to be better resourced in relation ship to having these journeys.
00:03:21:03 - 00:03:53:20
Dr. Sandra Dreisbach
So for instance, mushrooms, you can see that they come from the ground, from the earth. And even though they can be harvested and collected and cultivated. The origin is from the earth and part of the origin story of that psychedelic or plant medicine or fungi, because it's really fungi. Is is that but we also want to recognize that there are also a lot of lineages and First Nations that have, a whole history around relationship.
00:03:53:22 - 00:04:19:22
Dr. Sandra Dreisbach
So there's also a nod here to the source in terms of traditions that we want to recognize here. That isn't just, a Western invention, per se, not a global North invention. So there's a long history among source, not just from the Earth, not just in terms of First Nations and traditional medicine lineages, but also in terms of the ethics.
00:04:20:00 - 00:05:12:20
Dr. Sandra Dreisbach
So when we think about ethical practice, I come obviously from a Western lens. My training has been predominantly from an academic sense. I have had additional training since that time. But at the same time, we need to honor and respect the source of our insights, our perspectives as well, and find a way to bridge and marry in relationship, not just for our own inner resourcing and connecting to ourselves, and what helps us to gain better clarity on our values and our guidance, and what really is supporting and guiding us in our everyday lives, but also from the sense of recognizing there's there's wisdom to be found in all sources, all sources of wisdom,
00:05:12:21 - 00:05:48:14
Dr. Sandra Dreisbach
knowledge and traditions, and that we're not here to exclude any of them, but to respect that knowledge and wisdom and perspective that we get from different communities, different worldviews, and that actually only adds to a healthier, more supportive journey. No matter what your tradition is, no matter whether you're coming from the global South, the global North, whether you're from a traditional lineage, whether you're more of a scientist or whether you're a new junior.
00:05:48:16 - 00:06:17:13
Dr. Sandra Dreisbach
Someone who's curious about psychedelics and plant medicines. We want to have this space be a place where you can find greater connection to source. Source in the larger sense of the the word. You could think of it as your inner resources, your inner healer. You could think of it as source, as in the higher self, or part of your own spiritual sense.
00:06:17:15 - 00:06:46:22
Dr. Sandra Dreisbach
If you believe in God, then then that may be your source. It could be source in terms of the earth in connection to the plants, the animals, the larger world, and galactic, even you can expand out, but also in terms of community that the reality is none of us are alone. We are all connected in community with one another.
00:06:47:00 - 00:07:19:00
Dr. Sandra Dreisbach
And if this is the only piece that you listen to, the whole entire podcast series, I just want you to know that you and I are connected. That every breath you breathe, every drop of water you drink connects us all to one another. The land, the earth. People from your ancestry. People in your lives. People who are millions of miles away.
00:07:19:00 - 00:07:49:23
Dr. Sandra Dreisbach
Whom you may never meet. That the real source is each other in relationship. And to me, that helps to create and co-create a ethical way of not just being in the world, but a journey of whether it's psychedelic, whether it's spiritual, whether it's just in your your journey of your mind and your thoughts and beliefs.
00:07:49:23 - 00:08:42:04
Dr. Sandra Dreisbach
Now what's the vision of Psychedelic Source podcast? Well, in a pragmatic way and not just a philosophical way. We hope to actually be able to help people who are really working and living and doing the work. As we like to say, in the space, whether you have a business, whether you have a spiritual practice or whether you know you're personally trying to explore and be better resourced for a journey experience so that you can feel supported, safer, more informed that you have that resource, that and not an extractive way, but in a real present way that you have more of the current facts, information, resource, connection.
00:08:42:06 - 00:09:27:06
Dr. Sandra Dreisbach
And I would actually even argue a sense of family that that goes beyond, what you may be experiencing now, because one challenge in the psychedelics space, when people are trying to explore not just the legalities, and I want to take a moment now to recognize that this is not an attempt to encourage any illicit use, but to encourage supported access it through legal means and hopefully even connected to that information as well, because all the laws and rules change and a lot of people aren't informed on what that information even is or where to even go to get information.
00:09:27:08 - 00:09:50:05
Dr. Sandra Dreisbach
And even if you do have that, you know, we can all use search engines, to be able to create that sense of discernment where you can help decide and be empowered in your decision making. That is a sort of resource that really is desperately needed right now. And it's not to say that they don't exist to any extent.
00:09:50:07 - 00:10:29:06
Dr. Sandra Dreisbach
It's that we need more. And no one can say that they have too many resources in terms of relationship. And, and even though some may argue, I hear this at least sometimes, that, there isn't a real psychedelic community, for example. And for me, it's aspirational. So similarly, psychedelic source is aspirational that I'm setting the intention with myself, with community members to help you be more resourced.
00:10:29:08 - 00:10:55:18
Dr. Sandra Dreisbach
So no matter what relationship you have, whether you identify psychedelics as psychedelics or plant medicines or fungi or, you know, we want to be able to present the complexities of that. But in a way that's really accessible to the everyday person. I know it's not going to be accessible to everyone, and I know there's a lot of barriers out there in terms of equity, diversity and inclusion.
00:10:55:18 - 00:11:21:11
Dr. Sandra Dreisbach
And we want to bring highlight, some of those challenges as well. And this is just it, that there's no perfect solution out there. We need to lean into our own imperfections, including the imperfection of trying to do a podcast. But at least it creates another means, another way of support, another way of sourcing relationship, connection and understanding in a deeper way.
00:11:21:18 - 00:12:14:13
Dr. Sandra Dreisbach
So I hope that you find not just the richness of connection, but also really pragmatic sourcing of information and connection that really actually helps. So one thing that I'm going to start with this podcast focused on is making sure that every single podcast episode I ask whoever's there or the community that comes to give you something that can be acted upon, something pragmatic, something that can actually be a good source for you, whether that person or group sees it as an action step for you to do, whether that's a community resource, whether it's a piece, a book, or a piece of knowledge, but to not just have it be talk, but have it be about
00:12:14:18 - 00:12:18:01
Dr. Sandra Dreisbach
taking action in our world and in your life.
00:12:18:01 - 00:12:44:11
Dr. Sandra Dreisbach
Psychedelic source Podcast is a source for you. Come to our website, psychedelic source podcast.com for source of information, resources, community episodes, social media, you name it. We want to be in relationship with you and build your relationship in the larger community through every single episode, every conversation, and grow
00:12:44:11 - 00:12:59:22
Dr. Sandra Dreisbach
My personal promise is to continue to share and grow as not just an individual in terms of my ethical commitment and standards, but to also share my growth and experience in relationship with you.
00:13:01:01 - 00:13:20:11
Dr. Sandra Dreisbach
But to do that, I need you to go to the site and to build that consciously with me. Tell me your thoughts, ideas, suggestions. We're here to expand and grow in relationship and together. I know we can all be a psychedelic source and integrity.
00:13:20:11 - 00:13:44:10
Dr. Sandra Dreisbach
Thank you for joining me on Psychedelic Source. If you found value in today's episode, please subscribe wherever you get your podcasts and share with others in our community. And if you're a psychedelic practitioner, therapist or coach looking to identify blind spots in your practice or determine next steps for moving it forward, take the first step by visiting Psychedelic Source podcast.com.
00:13:44:12 - 00:13:57:14
Dr. Sandra Dreisbach
Until next time, remember. Start low, go slow and stay connected to your source.